Craps Iron Cross Don’t Pass
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The craps table features dozens of wagers that you can make. Therefore, narrowing down the top wagers should be your first order of business. The best craps bets include pass line and don’t pass line. These wagers are made on the “come out” roll, which is the first roll of a new round. We surmised early on that the house edge for the Iron Cross bet would be between 1.52 percent and 5.56 percent and we were right. Betting one unit ($25 in the proof) on the Iron Cross, carries a 3.87 percent house edge when both the 2 and 12 pay double in the field bet. Lets check the answer to the original question. The Don’t Pass bet is another quite popular wager in the game of craps. An interesting fact is that players who prefer to use the Don’t Pass bet are normally known as “wrong” players as what they do looks like betting against the shooter, who is considered a “right” player. I apologize in advance for formatting, I’m composing this on my phone from my hotel room. I have been playing craps for about two years and have played both sides of the pass. I’ve tried everything from the Iron cross and heavy all the way across, to ’the can’t lose bet’ and martingale systems. My current strategy is now just the flat Don’t.
When implemented in Craps, it is usually used with pass/ don’t pass as well as Come and Don’t Come bets. These bets are statistically the only ones with a good house advantage.arthurdent33I have tried a variation on the Iron Cross that I would love some outside input.On the simulator I use a $5 minimum bet as follows, after the point is established:Place a $10 bet on the 5Place a $12 bet on the 6Place a $12 bet on the 8And a $5 field betI let the point be made then my decision points are:If I win three straight rolls, I take all my bets down.If the point is made, I take down the Field bet, if necessary, then start over.And obviously, if a seven is rolled, I lose and I start over.Bank roll is $300, if I ever get over $100 profit, take those profits and restart the game.On a cold run, I sometimes reduce to two straight wins.I find this to be profitable here, what does anyone think?WatchMeWinOn the right track.AxelWolfRolls eyes*♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you’re not a gamblin’ man Then you find you’re back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you’re able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin’ ’round and ’round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪LuckyPhow
I have tried a variation on the Iron Cross that I would love some outside input.I expect you will get about the same ’input’ as you received for your thread before your Vegas trip in January. Did you bet this Iron Cross in Vegas? Did you bet something else? Did you achieve your win goal frequently enough to pay for your trip expenses? As you probably know, the Iron Cross works great if shooters have long rolls, but poorly if Red keeps crashing the party. You say you quit after 3 wins, which minimizes Red’s opportunity to crush you. But, you miss out when shooters have a long roll. Also, it takes several small wins (as you describe) to recover from just one point-seven out, so it’s easy to get way behind quickly. But, win or lose, betting the Iron Cross can sure be a lot of fun.pwcrabbWe may want Red to remain a distant prospect but the simple math says otherwise. The next Red requires only two future tosses to accumulate a 31% probability of occurrence and only four future tosses to accumulate a 52% probability. The analysis of course begins anew as each toss becomes history rather than future.Here is a suggestion: observe a very long string of tosses and note that Red occurs in bunches, just like cars on a highway and any other random phenomenon involving time. The descriptive math is too complex to discuss here. Simply try to anticipate and dodge those bunches with your Iron Cross.’I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic.’ Fitz-James O’Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)WatchMeWinTake your shota. Hit n run quickly. Fool the variance.WatchMeWinThanks for this post from:
Rolls eyes* Rolls eyes back, brows down.’Winners hit n run... Losers stick around’arthurdent33I did do this when I went to Vegas. I had the smarts to walk away after small losses and play hit and run a bunch of times. I didn’t pay for the entire vacation but a large chunk of it - ’too much’ quality time with my significant other to spend a lot of time at the tables. And as much as I love her, she is a bit spoiled and rather than using my comp at Excal, for her first trip to Vegas since her dad took her in high school to see his friend Sammy Davis Jr perform, she wanted to stay at the Palazzo. Free went to $1000 real fast!!! BTW, we had a great time, great meals, we saw Love, we visited he ex MIL for some reason. I won net about $600 - that ’system’ is a slow grind. The variation I want to use is after hitting my escape amount, I want to let what is on the table ride without replacing the Field bet. I have had a bit of luck here and I plan on hitting the bubble craps here next weekend. So you can roll your eyes if that makes you feel better but all I was asking was for an opinion.Next sessions I will keep a log.arthurdent33pwc, when I felt the table get cold, I reduced to two wins when possible and take down my bets. It is hard seeing too many rolls for numbers - especially after a bunch of 2’s and 12’s show up, but you get that special smirk when you take down your bets and a 7 shows up in a roll or two.odiousgambitshould somebody should step in and mention when fallacies and canards are prevalent in a certain thread? This happens with Craps and Baccarat threads in particular. We are all used to it, but on the other hand there are people who come to this site to be educated rather than to spread BS, what kind of minority that is I don’t know. One thing I have become convinced about, though, is that to some degree it is up to each of us to separate out that which is accurate from that which is not. Buzzkill of course. I’ll just point out some of the dubious elements in this thread and the discerning newbie can take it from there. Dubious or misleading claims or assumptions:*hit and run as a viable strategy*tables that were cold or hot will continue to be so*clumping phenomenon of rolled numbers can be predictedCraps Iron Cross Strategy*betting scenarios being ’profitable’the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold SnyderCraps Iron Cross Don’t Pass GameHave you ever heard of the craps pro? I can honestly say that I have been playing this craps method for a year now and over the long run I have been winning 60% of my bets with the casino paying me odds on the place bets. I’m one of the crazies out here that believe that this works. I have tried many systems and spent thousands of dollars believing there must be a way to beat the casino over the long haul. Nothing worked until I purchased this method. I’m a true believer and my wallet shows it, or maybe hundreds of hours at the table is not enough time to prove it to be true I’ll let you know how I do over the next year. If you haven’t heard of this method than research it and prove me wrong.
Although I have tested a lot of systems, I don’t need to test all of them to know they are all worthless. No system can ever pass the test of time. It is not unusual to win for a while with a system, but if you keep playing the odds will eventually catch up to you and you will fall behind. For more information about the futility of betting systems, please see The Truth about Betting Systems.Let me begin by saying that of all the gambling related sites, the Wizard of Odds is by far the best. My question has to do with a betting strategy for craps. My question has to do with what some people have termed variance. As you state in your Ten commandments, the house has an edge in the long term, but there are short term fluctuations. A casino I played at had the 3,4,5 odds system where you were allowed 3x on the 4 and 10, 4x on the 5 and 9 and 5 x on the 6 and 8. I feel that with this ’system’ of placing odds, you reduce the fluctuations (with respect to standard 5x odds on all numbers) in your bankroll, and change the distribution of net gain/loss per session, i.e. you would produce a sharper peak located slightly more to the loss side than with 5x odds. Is this so, and could you put some numbers to it?
That is known as 3-4-5X odds, and is now pretty common. The following table shows all the possible outcomes, for the pass and odds combined, with full odds. Return Table with 3-4-5X OddsEventPaysProbabilityReturnPass line win10.2222220.222222Pass line loss-10.111111-0.111111Point of 4 or 10 & win70.0555560.388889Point of 4 or 10 & lose-40.111111-0.444444Point of 5 or 9 & win70.0888890.622222Point of 5 or 9 & lose-50.133333-0.666667Point of 6 or 8 & win70.1262630.883838Point of 6 or 8 & lose-60.151515-0.909091Total1.000000-0.014141 The standard deviation per pass line bet is 4.915632.As a moderate craps player who is of course interested in receiving every ’comp’ possible, could you give advice on the best betting (craps) strategy. Tried to find it in your GREAT web site.
Unlike most gambling writers, I don’t put much emphasis on betting strategies. Assuming the same game and bet, there is no one right or wrong strategy. They all behave differently in the short run, but in the long run you will give the house the same percentage of total money bet.I like your site very much. It is very informative. Thanks for putting out your thoughts. I noticed a betting strategy for craps suggested at Crappers Delight called ’classic regression’. In it he suggests, placing a 6 and 8, after a point is established. Then taking it down after one of them is hit. He said there are 10 combined ways to make the 6 and 8, but only 6 combined ways to make the 7. It sounds logical, but I’ve seen where you are able to show, that what appears logical on the surface is not so bright once it is analyzed. What are your thoughts on this strategy and what would the true odds be, if you did take the bets down after one hit?
This is similar to a question I got last week. Yes, it is true that there are ten ways to roll a 6 or 8, and six ways to roll a 7. However, one must not look at the probabilities alone, but weight them against the payoffs. The place bet on the 6 and 8 pays 7 to 6 odds when fair odds would pay 6 to 5. By making six unit place bets on the 6 and 8, and taking the other down if one wins, the probability of winning 7 units is 62.5% and the probability of losing 12 units is 37.5%. If the player must cover both the 6 and 8, then the place bet is the way to go. This rate of return isn’t bad but could be better. For the player who puts a priority on minimizing the overall house edge, the best strategy is to make combinations of pass, don’t pass, come, and don’t come bets, and always take the maximum allowable odds.What is the better system, or which gives me the better chance to win on craps? On the come out roll, I bet $10 on the don’t and $10 on the do, and then when a point comes out I lay full odds against the number. Or is it better to just play the don’t pass, and then lay the odds. I think getting passed the come out roll will increase my chances of winning.
The better system is to bet on the don’t pass only and take full odds. Yes, betting on both does increase you chances of winning on any one bet. However you are suffering a higher combined house edge by betting on both the pass and don’t pass and it will cost you in the long run.I played craps for the first time the other night and went from $70 to $700 with small bets on the pass odds and field bets. I then lost it all down to $6 because my bets were too large (by the dealers suggestion), and gained it back to $1000 after slowing down. For this being the first time it seems like a very easy game to win if you have patience, was it beginners luck?
Yes, it was luck. It helped that you stuck to the low house edge bets. However, next time, make the line bets with odds only, and don’t bet the field, especially if it pays 2 to 1 only on both the 2 and 12.In craps, could one gain an advantage over the house by making both a Pass and Don’t Pass bet (one unit each) and then playing the Don’t Pass odds? Although the occasional 12 would steal one unit here and there, it seems that the seven would have an advantage over the point. At triple odds one could take 3x on the 4&10, 2x on the 5&9 and 1x on the 6&8.
No combination of bets can give the player an advantage. In your example you would lose one unit for every 12 on the come out roll. You don’t make up for it laying the odds. While you usually win laying the odds, you have to risk more. In the end, laying the odds has zero house edge.I love to play craps and would like your opinion on a conventional method of play. Pass line and two come bets with full double odds or with one come bet? Does having three different bets working superior to two?
As long as you are backing up your pass and come bets with full odds, it doesn’t make any difference how many come bets you make. However, it does reduce the overall house edge to keep the odds on your come bets working on the come out roll.In craps, does the house edge change if you make a don’t pass bet then remove it if the point is 6 or 8? What if you remove it if the point is 6,8,5,or 9?
You should never remove a don’t pass bet after a point is made! Once a point is made of 6 or 8 the don’t pass has equity of 9.09% of the bet amount, which you would be throwing away by taking the bet down. The equity of a don’t pass bet on a point of 5 or 9 is 20%, and on a 4 or 10 is 33.33%.I’d like your thoughts on this craps strategy. I think it’s a Patrick system for playing don’t pass. Bet one unit on both pass and don’t pass. Then lays odds on the don’t side. You can stop here or then make a don’t come bet. After the dc travels, take the odds off your don’t pass bet (if you don’t like to lay odds). So now you have a unit on the don’t come that pretty much got there with less risk. I know you can never get the advantage over the house, but this seems like a great way to play the don’t side. You eliminate the sevens on the come out roll. And only get hurt by the 12; or the 11 on your don’t come bet. P.s. Your site is the greatest.
Thanks for the compliment on my site. The best thing I can say about this system is that it composed of low house edge bets. Yes, a 12 will lose the pass bet and push the don’t pass on the come out roll, this is where the house edge is. By making the pass bet you are increasing the overall house edge. If you’re afraid losing you shouldn’t be playing at all. Never hedge your bets. So my advice is to stick to just the don’t pass and laying odds. Yes, you’ll lose some on the come out roll. However if you don’t lose on the come out roll the don’t pass bet will usually win.I am a novice, just starting to play. My question concerns the ’Five Count Doey/Don’t’ System. The way I understand the system:
*Wait until the shooter establishes a point.
*Play both come/don’t come (same amount). Until you have a maximum of four numbers
*After the shooter has rolled five times without rolling a 7, take odds on all your numbers on the front side.
The rationale: Limit your exposure until you find a ’qualified’ (five rolls without a 7) shooter. Only betting the odds so there is no ’house edge’! Can you compare this system with just playing pass/come and taking the odds?
As I stated in the other craps strategy question you are only mixing another house edge bet into the game by betting on both the pass and don’t pass, or come and don’t come. It is also not going to help to wait until a shooter hits five points. The probability of making a point is the same for me and you as it is for somebody who just threw 100 points in a row. In other words, the past does not matter. As I stated to the person who asked the other question (whom I think may also be you) don’t make opposite bets, just stick to either the do or don’t side and always back up your bets with the odds.The Kelly strategy for betting requires a positive edge to be effective. I play craps and I give the house less than a 1% edge. Once a week I get comps of $62. I gamble only 1 1/2 hours and my total betting doesn’t reach $3000. Theoretically I earn approximately $30 per session. Would the Kelly strategy be helpful to me?
Unless bankroll preservation is very important to you then Kelly betting won’t help. I would just flat bet. Nice strategy to milk the comp system.The American Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling has the following ’anything but seven’ combination of craps bets that shows a net win on any number except 7. Here’s how much MENSA advises to bet in the ’Anything but 7’ system:
*5- place $5
*6- place $6
*8- place $6
*field- $5
*total= $22 They claim the house edge is 1.136%. How is that possible if every individual bet made has a higher house edge?
Good question. To confirm their math I made the following table, based on a field bet paying 3 to 1 on a 12. The lower right cell does shows an expected loss of 25 cents over $22 bet. So the house edge is indeed .25/22 = 1.136%. Mensa Anything but Seven ComboNumberProbabilityFieldPlace 5Place 6Place 8WinReturn20.027778100.0000000.0000000.000000100.27777830.05555650.0000000.0000000.00000050.27777840.08333350.0000000.0000000.00000050.41666750.111111-570.0000000.00000020.22222260.138889-50.00000070.00000020.27777870.166667-5-5-6-6-22-3.66666780.138889-50.0000000.000000720.27777890.111111500.000000050.555556100.08333350.0000000.0000000.00000050.416667110.055556500.0000000.00000050.277778120.027778150.0000000.0000000.000000150.416667Total1-0.25
The reason the overall house edge appears to be less than the house edge of each individual bet is because the house edge on place bets is generally measured as expected player loss per bet resolved. However, in this case the player is only keeping the place bets up for one roll. This significantly reduces the house edge on the place bets from 4.00% to 1.11% on the 5 and 9, and from 1.52% to 0.46% on the 6 and 8. For you purists who think I am inconsistent in measuring the house edge on place bets as per bet resolved (or ignoring ties) then I invite you to visit my craps appendix 2 where all craps bets are measured per roll (including ties).What is the best way to make money at craps consistently?
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The craps table features dozens of wagers that you can make. Therefore, narrowing down the top wagers should be your first order of business. The best craps bets include pass line and don’t pass line. These wagers are made on the “come out” roll, which is the first roll of a new round. We surmised early on that the house edge for the Iron Cross bet would be between 1.52 percent and 5.56 percent and we were right. Betting one unit ($25 in the proof) on the Iron Cross, carries a 3.87 percent house edge when both the 2 and 12 pay double in the field bet. Lets check the answer to the original question. The Don’t Pass bet is another quite popular wager in the game of craps. An interesting fact is that players who prefer to use the Don’t Pass bet are normally known as “wrong” players as what they do looks like betting against the shooter, who is considered a “right” player. I apologize in advance for formatting, I’m composing this on my phone from my hotel room. I have been playing craps for about two years and have played both sides of the pass. I’ve tried everything from the Iron cross and heavy all the way across, to ’the can’t lose bet’ and martingale systems. My current strategy is now just the flat Don’t.
When implemented in Craps, it is usually used with pass/ don’t pass as well as Come and Don’t Come bets. These bets are statistically the only ones with a good house advantage.arthurdent33I have tried a variation on the Iron Cross that I would love some outside input.On the simulator I use a $5 minimum bet as follows, after the point is established:Place a $10 bet on the 5Place a $12 bet on the 6Place a $12 bet on the 8And a $5 field betI let the point be made then my decision points are:If I win three straight rolls, I take all my bets down.If the point is made, I take down the Field bet, if necessary, then start over.And obviously, if a seven is rolled, I lose and I start over.Bank roll is $300, if I ever get over $100 profit, take those profits and restart the game.On a cold run, I sometimes reduce to two straight wins.I find this to be profitable here, what does anyone think?WatchMeWinOn the right track.AxelWolfRolls eyes*♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you’re not a gamblin’ man Then you find you’re back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you’re able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin’ ’round and ’round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪LuckyPhow
I have tried a variation on the Iron Cross that I would love some outside input.I expect you will get about the same ’input’ as you received for your thread before your Vegas trip in January. Did you bet this Iron Cross in Vegas? Did you bet something else? Did you achieve your win goal frequently enough to pay for your trip expenses? As you probably know, the Iron Cross works great if shooters have long rolls, but poorly if Red keeps crashing the party. You say you quit after 3 wins, which minimizes Red’s opportunity to crush you. But, you miss out when shooters have a long roll. Also, it takes several small wins (as you describe) to recover from just one point-seven out, so it’s easy to get way behind quickly. But, win or lose, betting the Iron Cross can sure be a lot of fun.pwcrabbWe may want Red to remain a distant prospect but the simple math says otherwise. The next Red requires only two future tosses to accumulate a 31% probability of occurrence and only four future tosses to accumulate a 52% probability. The analysis of course begins anew as each toss becomes history rather than future.Here is a suggestion: observe a very long string of tosses and note that Red occurs in bunches, just like cars on a highway and any other random phenomenon involving time. The descriptive math is too complex to discuss here. Simply try to anticipate and dodge those bunches with your Iron Cross.’I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic.’ Fitz-James O’Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)WatchMeWinTake your shota. Hit n run quickly. Fool the variance.WatchMeWinThanks for this post from:
Rolls eyes* Rolls eyes back, brows down.’Winners hit n run... Losers stick around’arthurdent33I did do this when I went to Vegas. I had the smarts to walk away after small losses and play hit and run a bunch of times. I didn’t pay for the entire vacation but a large chunk of it - ’too much’ quality time with my significant other to spend a lot of time at the tables. And as much as I love her, she is a bit spoiled and rather than using my comp at Excal, for her first trip to Vegas since her dad took her in high school to see his friend Sammy Davis Jr perform, she wanted to stay at the Palazzo. Free went to $1000 real fast!!! BTW, we had a great time, great meals, we saw Love, we visited he ex MIL for some reason. I won net about $600 - that ’system’ is a slow grind. The variation I want to use is after hitting my escape amount, I want to let what is on the table ride without replacing the Field bet. I have had a bit of luck here and I plan on hitting the bubble craps here next weekend. So you can roll your eyes if that makes you feel better but all I was asking was for an opinion.Next sessions I will keep a log.arthurdent33pwc, when I felt the table get cold, I reduced to two wins when possible and take down my bets. It is hard seeing too many rolls for numbers - especially after a bunch of 2’s and 12’s show up, but you get that special smirk when you take down your bets and a 7 shows up in a roll or two.odiousgambitshould somebody should step in and mention when fallacies and canards are prevalent in a certain thread? This happens with Craps and Baccarat threads in particular. We are all used to it, but on the other hand there are people who come to this site to be educated rather than to spread BS, what kind of minority that is I don’t know. One thing I have become convinced about, though, is that to some degree it is up to each of us to separate out that which is accurate from that which is not. Buzzkill of course. I’ll just point out some of the dubious elements in this thread and the discerning newbie can take it from there. Dubious or misleading claims or assumptions:*hit and run as a viable strategy*tables that were cold or hot will continue to be so*clumping phenomenon of rolled numbers can be predictedCraps Iron Cross Strategy*betting scenarios being ’profitable’the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold SnyderCraps Iron Cross Don’t Pass GameHave you ever heard of the craps pro? I can honestly say that I have been playing this craps method for a year now and over the long run I have been winning 60% of my bets with the casino paying me odds on the place bets. I’m one of the crazies out here that believe that this works. I have tried many systems and spent thousands of dollars believing there must be a way to beat the casino over the long haul. Nothing worked until I purchased this method. I’m a true believer and my wallet shows it, or maybe hundreds of hours at the table is not enough time to prove it to be true I’ll let you know how I do over the next year. If you haven’t heard of this method than research it and prove me wrong.
Although I have tested a lot of systems, I don’t need to test all of them to know they are all worthless. No system can ever pass the test of time. It is not unusual to win for a while with a system, but if you keep playing the odds will eventually catch up to you and you will fall behind. For more information about the futility of betting systems, please see The Truth about Betting Systems.Let me begin by saying that of all the gambling related sites, the Wizard of Odds is by far the best. My question has to do with a betting strategy for craps. My question has to do with what some people have termed variance. As you state in your Ten commandments, the house has an edge in the long term, but there are short term fluctuations. A casino I played at had the 3,4,5 odds system where you were allowed 3x on the 4 and 10, 4x on the 5 and 9 and 5 x on the 6 and 8. I feel that with this ’system’ of placing odds, you reduce the fluctuations (with respect to standard 5x odds on all numbers) in your bankroll, and change the distribution of net gain/loss per session, i.e. you would produce a sharper peak located slightly more to the loss side than with 5x odds. Is this so, and could you put some numbers to it?
That is known as 3-4-5X odds, and is now pretty common. The following table shows all the possible outcomes, for the pass and odds combined, with full odds. Return Table with 3-4-5X OddsEventPaysProbabilityReturnPass line win10.2222220.222222Pass line loss-10.111111-0.111111Point of 4 or 10 & win70.0555560.388889Point of 4 or 10 & lose-40.111111-0.444444Point of 5 or 9 & win70.0888890.622222Point of 5 or 9 & lose-50.133333-0.666667Point of 6 or 8 & win70.1262630.883838Point of 6 or 8 & lose-60.151515-0.909091Total1.000000-0.014141 The standard deviation per pass line bet is 4.915632.As a moderate craps player who is of course interested in receiving every ’comp’ possible, could you give advice on the best betting (craps) strategy. Tried to find it in your GREAT web site.
Unlike most gambling writers, I don’t put much emphasis on betting strategies. Assuming the same game and bet, there is no one right or wrong strategy. They all behave differently in the short run, but in the long run you will give the house the same percentage of total money bet.I like your site very much. It is very informative. Thanks for putting out your thoughts. I noticed a betting strategy for craps suggested at Crappers Delight called ’classic regression’. In it he suggests, placing a 6 and 8, after a point is established. Then taking it down after one of them is hit. He said there are 10 combined ways to make the 6 and 8, but only 6 combined ways to make the 7. It sounds logical, but I’ve seen where you are able to show, that what appears logical on the surface is not so bright once it is analyzed. What are your thoughts on this strategy and what would the true odds be, if you did take the bets down after one hit?
This is similar to a question I got last week. Yes, it is true that there are ten ways to roll a 6 or 8, and six ways to roll a 7. However, one must not look at the probabilities alone, but weight them against the payoffs. The place bet on the 6 and 8 pays 7 to 6 odds when fair odds would pay 6 to 5. By making six unit place bets on the 6 and 8, and taking the other down if one wins, the probability of winning 7 units is 62.5% and the probability of losing 12 units is 37.5%. If the player must cover both the 6 and 8, then the place bet is the way to go. This rate of return isn’t bad but could be better. For the player who puts a priority on minimizing the overall house edge, the best strategy is to make combinations of pass, don’t pass, come, and don’t come bets, and always take the maximum allowable odds.What is the better system, or which gives me the better chance to win on craps? On the come out roll, I bet $10 on the don’t and $10 on the do, and then when a point comes out I lay full odds against the number. Or is it better to just play the don’t pass, and then lay the odds. I think getting passed the come out roll will increase my chances of winning.
The better system is to bet on the don’t pass only and take full odds. Yes, betting on both does increase you chances of winning on any one bet. However you are suffering a higher combined house edge by betting on both the pass and don’t pass and it will cost you in the long run.I played craps for the first time the other night and went from $70 to $700 with small bets on the pass odds and field bets. I then lost it all down to $6 because my bets were too large (by the dealers suggestion), and gained it back to $1000 after slowing down. For this being the first time it seems like a very easy game to win if you have patience, was it beginners luck?
Yes, it was luck. It helped that you stuck to the low house edge bets. However, next time, make the line bets with odds only, and don’t bet the field, especially if it pays 2 to 1 only on both the 2 and 12.In craps, could one gain an advantage over the house by making both a Pass and Don’t Pass bet (one unit each) and then playing the Don’t Pass odds? Although the occasional 12 would steal one unit here and there, it seems that the seven would have an advantage over the point. At triple odds one could take 3x on the 4&10, 2x on the 5&9 and 1x on the 6&8.
No combination of bets can give the player an advantage. In your example you would lose one unit for every 12 on the come out roll. You don’t make up for it laying the odds. While you usually win laying the odds, you have to risk more. In the end, laying the odds has zero house edge.I love to play craps and would like your opinion on a conventional method of play. Pass line and two come bets with full double odds or with one come bet? Does having three different bets working superior to two?
As long as you are backing up your pass and come bets with full odds, it doesn’t make any difference how many come bets you make. However, it does reduce the overall house edge to keep the odds on your come bets working on the come out roll.In craps, does the house edge change if you make a don’t pass bet then remove it if the point is 6 or 8? What if you remove it if the point is 6,8,5,or 9?
You should never remove a don’t pass bet after a point is made! Once a point is made of 6 or 8 the don’t pass has equity of 9.09% of the bet amount, which you would be throwing away by taking the bet down. The equity of a don’t pass bet on a point of 5 or 9 is 20%, and on a 4 or 10 is 33.33%.I’d like your thoughts on this craps strategy. I think it’s a Patrick system for playing don’t pass. Bet one unit on both pass and don’t pass. Then lays odds on the don’t side. You can stop here or then make a don’t come bet. After the dc travels, take the odds off your don’t pass bet (if you don’t like to lay odds). So now you have a unit on the don’t come that pretty much got there with less risk. I know you can never get the advantage over the house, but this seems like a great way to play the don’t side. You eliminate the sevens on the come out roll. And only get hurt by the 12; or the 11 on your don’t come bet. P.s. Your site is the greatest.
Thanks for the compliment on my site. The best thing I can say about this system is that it composed of low house edge bets. Yes, a 12 will lose the pass bet and push the don’t pass on the come out roll, this is where the house edge is. By making the pass bet you are increasing the overall house edge. If you’re afraid losing you shouldn’t be playing at all. Never hedge your bets. So my advice is to stick to just the don’t pass and laying odds. Yes, you’ll lose some on the come out roll. However if you don’t lose on the come out roll the don’t pass bet will usually win.I am a novice, just starting to play. My question concerns the ’Five Count Doey/Don’t’ System. The way I understand the system:
*Wait until the shooter establishes a point.
*Play both come/don’t come (same amount). Until you have a maximum of four numbers
*After the shooter has rolled five times without rolling a 7, take odds on all your numbers on the front side.
The rationale: Limit your exposure until you find a ’qualified’ (five rolls without a 7) shooter. Only betting the odds so there is no ’house edge’! Can you compare this system with just playing pass/come and taking the odds?
As I stated in the other craps strategy question you are only mixing another house edge bet into the game by betting on both the pass and don’t pass, or come and don’t come. It is also not going to help to wait until a shooter hits five points. The probability of making a point is the same for me and you as it is for somebody who just threw 100 points in a row. In other words, the past does not matter. As I stated to the person who asked the other question (whom I think may also be you) don’t make opposite bets, just stick to either the do or don’t side and always back up your bets with the odds.The Kelly strategy for betting requires a positive edge to be effective. I play craps and I give the house less than a 1% edge. Once a week I get comps of $62. I gamble only 1 1/2 hours and my total betting doesn’t reach $3000. Theoretically I earn approximately $30 per session. Would the Kelly strategy be helpful to me?
Unless bankroll preservation is very important to you then Kelly betting won’t help. I would just flat bet. Nice strategy to milk the comp system.The American Mensa Guide to Casino Gambling has the following ’anything but seven’ combination of craps bets that shows a net win on any number except 7. Here’s how much MENSA advises to bet in the ’Anything but 7’ system:
*5- place $5
*6- place $6
*8- place $6
*field- $5
*total= $22 They claim the house edge is 1.136%. How is that possible if every individual bet made has a higher house edge?
Good question. To confirm their math I made the following table, based on a field bet paying 3 to 1 on a 12. The lower right cell does shows an expected loss of 25 cents over $22 bet. So the house edge is indeed .25/22 = 1.136%. Mensa Anything but Seven ComboNumberProbabilityFieldPlace 5Place 6Place 8WinReturn20.027778100.0000000.0000000.000000100.27777830.05555650.0000000.0000000.00000050.27777840.08333350.0000000.0000000.00000050.41666750.111111-570.0000000.00000020.22222260.138889-50.00000070.00000020.27777870.166667-5-5-6-6-22-3.66666780.138889-50.0000000.000000720.27777890.111111500.000000050.555556100.08333350.0000000.0000000.00000050.416667110.055556500.0000000.00000050.277778120.027778150.0000000.0000000.000000150.416667Total1-0.25
The reason the overall house edge appears to be less than the house edge of each individual bet is because the house edge on place bets is generally measured as expected player loss per bet resolved. However, in this case the player is only keeping the place bets up for one roll. This significantly reduces the house edge on the place bets from 4.00% to 1.11% on the 5 and 9, and from 1.52% to 0.46% on the 6 and 8. For you purists who think I am inconsistent in measuring the house edge on place bets as per bet resolved (or ignoring ties) then I invite you to visit my craps appendix 2 where all craps bets are measured per roll (including ties).What is the best way to make money at craps consistently?
Craig from Los Angeles
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